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I wonder if developers like you get any advanced notice/info on Apple’s plans for its reported journaling app, allowing you to make any adjustments in preparation? I love staying in the Apple ecosystem for the sake of simplicity and integration, and appreciate how Agenda integrates.

We have no insight, no. I had heard this rumor, but not looked into it until just now. Apple sure as hell wouldn’t tell us, and we couldn’t tell you if they did :slight_smile:

Is it likely? Probably. Definitely sounds more like a Day One type personal journaling app. Some overlap with Agenda, but I think we are probably more prosumer/pro. Not that worried…yet :rofl:


There’s been discussions in this forum about Agenda incorporating chatGpt. That might be nice. Maybe. But just about every significant app, which Agenda is, needs to have an AI strategy going forward to remain competitive. Apple’s reported Journal app is driven by AI and also their unique access to a user’s data. I think the Agenda devs should be thinking long and hard about ways to incorporate AI into the app. The difference between apps that incorporate AI and those that don’t will be really obvious in s year or so.

I never thought I’d say these words, but look at what Microsoft is doing with their apps to draw inspiration. Specifically co-pilot for all of their Office apps. Apple is late to the game in terms of AI and Siri is a joke. Maybe that will change at WWDC.

No need for panic in regard to AI. I haven’t really seen truly compelling use cases that can’t be done just by copying data into ChatGPT.

It is easy to underestimate the cost as well. Apps like Notion are taking enormous costs on board to support it. They are VC funded, so they can probably take a hit. We don’t want to be VC funded, and can’t afford to burn money on this. The wiser route is to let them fight it out, and see what actually works, and what doesn’t. I see a lot of dead ends coming.

I also think Apple will be right on this. They have been doing serious work with AI for many, many years. They are no dummies in this space. I remember when ChatGPT went public, Apple released open source support within a day. That means they already had it waiting. Expect Siri to get much, much better, and that hopefully all apps on Apple systems will get access to on-device AI. Hopefully we will hear more in around a month.


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Well that’s one way to approach it. I wouldn’t bet on Apple. They were the first out-of-the-gate with that type of tech and SIRI by far is the worst of all the assistants. I find it unusable and pathetic. Apple is apparently betting on VR, that’s their big reveal this year, which feels really out of step.

AI isn’t just some new tech to come along - it’s a seismic shift, as big as the Internet. Anyway, I love Agenda and will continue using it either way. I just see a lot of opportunity here, and also the possibilitiy of being left behind.

I don’t see a compelling reason for you to incorporate chatGPT. I’ve already posted in this group a way to integrate with Agenda now using shortcuts. This will only improve over time.

There are AI models that can be implemented that won’t cost a lot of money, or require VC funding. That’s why I suggested looking at what Microsoft is doing with Office. Yes, there’s some GPT integration there but there’s also a lot of automation, like automating Excel and powerpoint from prompts that doesn’t require a model with on-going costs like chatGPT.

Anyway, I’m not attached to it. Just shared my thoughts in case they are useful. I develop software with qutie a bit of AI so I’m aware of what’s involved.


Wait and see is definitely the way to go, this is all still up for grabs

I believe AI will inevitably be important. I read somewhere that the AI team is having trouble with siri, so, maybe, we won’t see many improvements in WWDC.
However, it is way better to wait because it is next month. Sometime the team should consider AI to Agenda, be it with API or integrated in the app itself. Some apps like Mem and Omniresearch are doing a great job at keeping track of your notes and helping you to find them.

Often, Apple and developers like Momenta BV, are better and wiser to be patient seeing how the technology, needs and benefits evolve overtime. Kind of a tortoise and hare thing. Or tail wagging the dog.