A quick update, Agenda 20 is now out
Thank you for the 20 update. Very nicely done! I was hoping there was a way to do a full category summary and choose which tags show, but Iâm making it work with overviews and using the new filters by tags. It may be something to think about in a future release to be able to make directories within content, but I am very thankful for this release so I can do something close to what I use to have in Obsidian.
@jonathan1 @chris.reed So glad to hear you like the update so much!
congrats for the release, v20 is very powerful indeed !
Agenda is getting clearly into the power tools category.
Can an app get 2 editors choice awards?
Agenda is creating the Rubicon Line of notes apps!
Wow, thank you for the kind words!
Really great update, especially for the content filters. The possibility to filter notes and their content at the same time is very powerful.
Collapsing portions of notes is a « not too soon » update, but itâs very enjoyable.
I just note the yellow dot to indicate folded section is not very intuitive. The traditional triangle will be more clear. I fear confusion with Writing Tools indicator.
Thanks to the team!
Totally agree regarding the fantastic update that version 20 is . Regarding the folded section, like what @Tom_Kiwi said, I also would like a more obvious indication, and the possibility to fold an unfolded item with a click of the indication icon. Even though I know itâs possible with a keyboard shortcut.
Glad you brought this up, because it allows me to explain how we ended up at a small yellow dot.
We began the design with the triangles in mind, but quickly realized it would not work in our app. Agenda is a note taking app, not an outliner, so what you donât want is to have permanent markers on the screen for every paragraph that could possibly be collapsed. It would be just too cluttered.
If you look at other apps, like Bear, they also avoid the triangles. It just doesnât work very well in a note taking app. Apple Notes does use it, but in Agenda, we have a formatting palette where the triangle appears, and we canât show both, so it doesnât work well in our design.
The problem in particular is that a triangle has to be permanently visible, because it toggles between two states (open/closed). It would be weird if we showed a right-facing triangle for folded text, and you clicked it, and it just disappeared instead of swinging to the bottom and remaining visible.
We also considered dashes, which would have been consistent with the dash/dot system we have at the top of notes. It would have been a nice metaphor, but it didnât work well, because the dashes clashed too much with dashed lists.
The Mac already has a round formatting button that appears on the left, so it seemed logical that we could integrate the two. Keep a round indicator, but make it obvious with color and fill. It then also morphs nicely when you use the format panel to fold.
This was the reasoning, and the design process we followed. It wasnât just to be different or opinionated or whatever, it was a careful path and a solution that fits this particular software, rather than outline or todo list software.
I have no fear about it being confused for writing tools. The writing tools icon is a huge arrow. There is no confusing them.
And I also donât buy that people wonât understand that the dot means âfoldedâ, because in order to see the dot, they first have to fold something. As soon as you see it happen, you get it.
In any case, we appreciate the feedback. This hopefully explains that the decision wasnât random, and was the result of a logical process.
I too, am impressed by the update. Iâd like to see of an option of just showing the first paragraph of a note, if we can show the first X lines of a note. My reason is that many (most) of my notes start with an H2 and so all I see is the H2.
Yep, me too. I would like to see an option to customize what I can see below a header when I use the filter options. E.g. everything until I set some kind of âmarkerâ like a horizontal line or something. My workaround right now is using a tag instead of a header and use âsoft returnâ to see everything below the tag, but thatâs not very convenient.
I understand the desire. Itâs a bit tricky due to the way we setup the text filtering.
In particular, we didnât want to have to put the note into an uneditable mode when you filter. We wanted what you see to be editable even when filtered.
If we include a line based limit, you will end up with half a paragraph at times. That is very tricky to handle if someone edits it, because it is not the full paragraph.
I guess we could introduce some special handling, like that you actually canât edit an incomplete paragraph, but it is a step beyond what we have now.
We will take this along and see if we can do something in future. Thanks for the feedback!
Yes, that the filtered sections are still editable, is awesome! Please donât change that.
Not to steer too far from the topic, curious if youâve moved completely to Agenda from Obsidian?
I have, but Iâve been struggling a little with long term usage of Agenda. There are some little things I need to note to hopefully get into an update at some point. I really wish there were dynamic variables in templates so when I add a new daily note or meeting it automatically adds todayâs date in the format I want. My ADD brain just shuts down when there are too many manual tasks when trying to add and organize information.
Update: I just realized they did add this, but you just canât use \ in the titles. if you create the \ date with the format in the body, you can paste it into the header and it will dynamically fill out the date. Exciting!